Curse

Oofus · Aug 13, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

New something fishy was going on when I saw someone in high end sell selling like 500 armbraces last week. Also have seen several people in game selling several hundred of their own. :/

I say faze out armbraces completely, make the collector accept something other then armbraces from now on then make it so you can only have 1 of the new item at a time, making it impossible to dupe it.

lyra_song · Aug 13, 2007, 02:04 PM // 14:04

Anet,

We love this game.

You love this game.

Show us your integrity and dedication.

I trust you'll fix this. Don't let me down.

~love
~lyra_song

taiwf · Aug 13, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06

i remember when playing diablo2 there often with huge lagging in game play whenever ppl doing duping... Not sure if this new exploit related to that too?

Kikuta · Aug 13, 2007, 02:07 PM // 14:07

There will not be a rollback.

There will be no change, other than the duplication method being stopped. The tormented weapons where meant to be exclusive and rare items, but because of this it's been brought down to the common green.

What impact does this have? None. The prices of these weapons will go down the toilet along with armbraces, much like every weapon type does in the long run. This particular weapon set has just suffered a random drift in supply vs. demand, and is now in massive supply.

You also need to consider that Armbraces of Truth weren't the only items that could be duplicated. Black/White dye, Rubies, lock picks - ANYTHING, even req. 7 crystalline swords and mini kanaxai's could have been duplicated. A-Net can't know everything that was duplicated, nor can they track the items and delete them. It's just too impractical.

Guild Wars has just suffered a massive blow to it's economy, and the only blame can go to us, the users. There will be no rollback - the most you can expect is a colossal nerf related to acquisition of a lot of items for the sake of restoring the economy over time.

The Herbalizer · Aug 13, 2007, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Here is what we know:

There was an exploit.
It was conducted through the reconnect feature.
We learned of it today and took action, today, to end the use of the exploit.
We will continue to test, and investigate, and then we'll look at outcomes afterwards.

Here is what we don't know yet:

What game changes may occur as a result of this exploit.
What will happen to those who used the exploit.

My comment about "avoiding armbraces" was more a joke than a fact, but if someone duplicated something and has a huge stockpile of that item, it's natural he/she may try to unload them, and frankly I wouldn't want to be the one to take the offer right now.

Lastly, stop and think: When did you first become aware of this issue? It's easy to leap to conclusions. But you can't say that because it was related to reconnects, the exploit was used since reconnects were added to the game. That's making a very large assumption. I'll make one in return: I'll assume that most of you heard of this exploit today. How likely is it, then, that it's been around for months? Even weeks? You know the Internet; you know the player base. How likely is it that it's been used for a long while without the word getting out? Before we talk about massive catastrophes, let's consider that the impact may have been quite minimal.

We'll share more info as we have it.

Well I started freaking out about the price of mini pets about a week ago. Then a member in my alliance over a week ago (maybe two weeks) obtained 80 million gold in armbraces from the sale of his Kanaxi mini pet. So I would say the dupe has been around for at least 2 weeks

Im pretty sure I was complaining about randoms getting insane wealth out of nowhere along while before that though. At the time I put it down to gold buyers but when I added up what people own the numbers ran into the thousands of dollars but even then I put it down to rich people obsessing over mini pets.

I really hope Anet dont try to play down this problem like they pretended not a single person out of the hundreds scammed by at the time the most famous scammer in GW reported him even though thousands of ecto were stolen and numerous items and was as far as I know never banned...

Quote:

Originally Posted by joze

me and a couple of others saw this problem coming long time ago. as early as june i saw people getting excessive amounts of armbraces.
people popping up all of a sudden with tons of rare pets & armbraces isn't common. the community would've known who they are. but we don't, they just pop up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by maraxusofk

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10185761

Heres someone who is most likely a duper from 2 days ago. regardless, i find it hard to believe someone farmed a full stack of armbraces legit, as that is about 15000 ectos worth, if each armbrace was 60e each at prices from 2 days ago.

Before u say anything, look at tile, it says WTS 250 Armbraces.

He had a Kanaxi. Chances are he sold it for those armbraces.

TiNkLeR · Aug 13, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by Hyper.nl

Should I laugh or cry now? It took me a fricken month of in-game working (merchanting, farming) to obtain all the gemsets for an armbrace and now ppl get 150 armbraces for a stupid minipet. It feels so unfair...

PS. Nothing against you personally TiNkLeR, but this software error just sucks.

I agree with you dude. But it was tempting...

Obey The Cat · Aug 13, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by tpolisher

Pray for a rollback? Only a rollback of the armbrace trader and armbraces themselves would be fair. An entire rollback of the game would cost those of us who were completely oblivious to this until today a great deal in hours spent just playing the game. And I don't know about you but my time is a bit more valuable to me that 1,000's of armbraces.

I pray Anet has more sense of fair play than that!

you don't get it right? its NOT ONLY about armbraces. they could have 10000 of ectos in their storage too. just because prices of armbraces WILL 100% DROP when there are many tormented weapons in the game. that's why it's stupid to think, there are only duplicated armbraces. holy shit i dont care about any armbrace myself. think about the money they made to buy other stuff like mini pets...

lacasner · Aug 13, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

Herb, I am sure I have seen it at least a month ago in ascalon id1, but I assumed it was just another ebayer and didn't pay much notice to it.

undeadgun · Aug 13, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Well I started freaking out about the price of mini pets about a week ago. Then a member in my alliance over a week ago (maybe two weeks) obtained 80 million gold in armbraces from the sale of his Kanaxi mini pet. So I would say the dupe has been around for at least 2 weeks

Im pretty sure I was complaining about randoms getting insane wealth out of nowhere along while before that though. At the time I put it down to gold buyers but when I added up what people own the numbers ran into the thousands of dollars but even then I put it down to rich people obsessing over mini pets.

i can prove it, yes, 100k+1500e+80armbrace for mini kanaxia

Hyper.nl · Aug 13, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Well I started freaking out about the price of mini pets about a week ago. Then a member in my alliance over a week ago (maybe two weeks) obtained 80 million gold in armbraces from the sale of his Kanaxi mini pet. So I would say the dupe has been around for at least 2 weeks

Im pretty sure I was complaining about randoms getting insane wealth out of nowhere along while before that though. At the time I put it down to gold buyers but when I added up what people own the numbers ran into the thousands of dollars but even then I put it down to rich people obsessing over mini pets.

I really hope Anet dont try to play down this problem like they pretended not a single person out of the hundreds scammed by at the time the most famous scammer in GW reported him even though thousands of ecto were stolen and numerous items...

So, at least that particular duper also has a rare minipet now. So it is quite likely that he/she made a (or a ton) of copies from it.

Evilsod · Aug 13, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Wouldn't a solution be to remove the Tormented Weapon collector in DoA for the time being?

The people who are part of this will be trying to quickly get rid of there armbraces. If there is no use for the armbraces, nobody will buy them. So they either keep them and run the risk of been found out of delete them asap.

jeffersons · Aug 13, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

who cares anyway, economy is already lost with ebayers, farming, then farming nerf, and that's why Anet has focused us on titles now.
Prices will always gets lower and lower, as people will continue dropping. So ther e has been an exploit, some people are insanely rich, well there have been some before wo have got rich with bots, insane farming, etc... so just forget armbraces, anyway everybody will have one one day.
Just no roll back and fix the bug then let it go

Oofus · Aug 13, 2007, 02:18 PM // 14:18

This guy closed up shop yesterday. If this didn't tip people off that there was an exploit then I don't know what could.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10185761

sythmoi · Aug 13, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Point of the matter is...they'll fix the exploit..... and prolly have turn a blind eye to the 1000s of armbraces in the market..... the market will crash wit these cheap "asian replica's" <<<--- It's a joke OK, hell the world is full of em, GW is the same....

WTB Replica Armbrace 5k.... cheers torment weapon elitism....me thinks.

I actually feel for them they got this BEEG decision on the exploit and the release of thier first official expansion.....

PS I still cant solo margonite gems with my 55/Ranger/Ele/Warr... pppffttt

Brain · Aug 13, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

people selling armbracers for 20k everywhere...this really is screwed up..

Martin Alvito · Aug 13, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Wouldn't a solution be to remove the Tormented Weapon collector in DoA for the time being?

While it's a start, no one except the dupers knows what all actually has been duped. Since the method worked on anything, there's no telling how many ersatz ectos/shards/diamonds/rubies/sapphires/minipets/weapons/shields are out there right now.

More to the point is whether or not ANet should delete items and, if so, what actually should be deleted. It should be fairly easy to verify counts on the minis since the number of them that should be out there is known. Weapons/shields should be traceable.

With ectos and other stackables, this is a much more dicey proposition.

Hyper.nl · Aug 13, 2007, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Wouldn't a solution be to remove the Tormented Weapon collector in DoA for the time being?

The people who are part of this will be trying to quickly get rid of there armbraces. If there is no use for the armbraces, nobody will buy them. So they either keep them and run the risk of been found out of delete them asap.

I think most armbraces have been converted to tormented items by now. It's better imho, shut down the game, rollback to startdate of this thread at least, and hunt down any tracable duped items before relaunching a 'somewhat fixed' game.

And again, not only armbraces could be duped, everything could be duped. Also things like minipets, ecto's and maybe even gold.

trielementz · Aug 13, 2007, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brain

people selling armbracers for 20k everywhere...this really is screwed up..

um are you sure? it's mostly WTBs from what i see. and mostly in ascalon IDs.

lacasner · Aug 13, 2007, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Oofus, if uve ever been in ascalon id1 ud have seen it more often, like going back to july from the first time ive ever noticed it there.

undeadgun · Aug 13, 2007, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oofus

This guy closed up shop yesterday. If this didn't tip people off that there was an exploit then I don't know what could.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10185761

that's a friend of Mine who sold mini beetle